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Please add a short paragraph explaining your map.LinksOther Subreddits:Alternate history related:Geography related:Political:Other:(Humanity Fuck Yeah). Iobit start menu 8 keygen. It would have been conquered in early 1454.History is rarely determined by single facts. The Byzantine Empire in 1453 was reduced to the city of Constantinople, and the Despotate of Morea in Peloponnese. The momentum of the Ottoman Empire was so strong that in the next century her borders were stretched from northern Balkans to Somalia and all northern Africa.If by any chance Constantinople would have remained as an autonomous city within the Ottoman Empire, like an Orthodox Vatican City, it would have its powers and economic prospect limited. Sea-trade was controlled by Italian city-states and land routes by Turks. If Mehmed II died in battle, one of his brothers would have stepped in to attempt to take the city and continue to expand the empire.
The Ottomans always had an extra prince to take up arms and were more highly centralized than the Byzantines. This prince might have bought the Byzantines and their allies some time, but it would not last for long.The Greek taking Ottoman land was still unlikely due to exhaustion and them facing their own struggles against northern principalities encroaching on their territories. Additionally, the janissary was far too powerful a fighting force to allow the Byzantine legions to even attempt to move in on Ottoman land.
The world of the Agent of Byzantium series.In this universe, the occurs when the Prophet (Mouamet), instead of developing, converted to and became a celebrated prelate and saint. Without the, the Eastern Roman Empire remained the pre-eminent power in the world. The Emperor subdued the in Italy, and the and the southern coast of were also recovered.
Most of Gaul, and are in 'barbarian' hands, and have broken away from Byzantine, following the doctrine of and a separate line of Popes. In the East, the Byzantines are still—as it was up to the advent of Islam—involved in a never-ending (occasionally flaring up into actual fighting) with its Persian arch-enemy, represented in the series by the female spy Mirrane.Argyros works as an army scout, and later as a for the, under the (fictional) Emperor Nikephoros III, and as such is sent across the Empire to solve problems — sometimes as a spy, sometimes as a negotiator, and sometimes as a soldier. The cover of the 1994 re-issue compares Argyros to. Stories and publication history Stories in the Agent of Byzantium universe (in order written) are:. 'Unholy Trinity', first published in the July 1985 issue of. It takes place on 6824 (AD 1315/16) in the. 'Archetypes', first published in the November 1985 issue of Amazing Science Fiction Stories.
It takes place on Etos Kosmou 6825 (AD 1316/17) in the frontier city of. 'The Eyes of Argos', first published in the January 1986 issue of Amazing Science Fiction Stories. It takes place on Etos Kosmou 6814 (AD 1305/6), dealing with an invasion by nomadic across the Danube frontier. 'Strange Eruptions', first published in the August 1986 issue of.
It takes place on Etos Kosmou 6816 (AD 1307/8), and is set during an epidemic in. 'Images', first published in the March 1987 issue of Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine. It takes place on Etos Kosmou 6826 (AD 1317/18) and is set in Constantinople during an dealing with the question of. 'Superwine', first published in the April 1987 issue of Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine. It takes place on Etos Kosmou 6829 (AD 1320/21), and takes place in. 'Pillar of Cloud, Pillar of Fire', first published in the December 1989 issue of Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine.
It takes place on Etos Kosmou 6818 (AD 1309/10), and takes place in. 'Departures', first published in the January 1989 issue of Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine. It is the only story that does not feature Argyros, and instead focuses on the future St.
Mouamet during his time in a monastery in SyriaThe first six stories comprise the first edition of Agent of Byzantium, published in 1987 by Congdon & Weed. 'Pillar of Cloud, Pillar of Fire' and 'Departures' were first published in the collection in 1993. 'Pillar of Cloud, Pillar of Fire' was included in the second edition of Agent of Byzantium, published in 1994.
'The Eyes of Argos' was also published in the There Will Be War IV: Guns of Darkness collection in 1987.Reception praised Turtledove as 'a very talented science fiction writer, with a gift for finding a way to present a fascinating idea through strong, believable characters.' Differences Turtledove, who has a PhD in Byzantine history, created a setting for the series in which the world of is projected seven centuries into the future. In each story, several familiar inventions and social institutions crop up far ahead of schedule, and under very different circumstances than they did in our world.
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If you want a challenging scenario, but one that is by no means impossible (if you ask me), then you should start with a post-1204 timeline. While many will tell you the Byzantine Empire was finished after the 4th crusade, I would strongly beg to differ. The problem is not that Constantine didn’t want Urban’s cannon he did the problem is that he simply couldn’t afford it. Even more to the heart of the matter though as others have posted is at this point Byzantium is for all intense purposes already dead someone simply hasn’t come along and buried it yet. Consequently if the Byzantines do manage to hold off the Turks in 1453 they’ll be back since Constantinople sits on too important of a site both economically and strategically to simply ignore and will eventually they will likely succeed.Furthermore if by some quirk of fate the Ottoman state happens to fall apart and splinters into a hundred little petty entities someone else will take the city at some point. The empire had neither the money nor the manpower any longer to fend off its other neighbors indefinitely all who would be looking to take such a valuable prize if the Turks happen to falter.
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Click to expand.The Turks weren't in the Levant in the seventh century; it was the explosion of the (Arab) Caliphate that took the Levant and Egypt.Even after that, the Romans certainly weren't on the verge of collapse. They remained a powerful entity in the region long after and despite the rise of Islam. The Empire (at least in its Byzantine form) was at its most powerful under Basil II, even though he controlled less land than any of the emperors (rebels and Augustus/Caesar splits aside) prior to the Islamic conquests. And the Empire was defeated by Seljuk Turks at Manzikert, not Arabs. If you stop the defeat at Manzikert, and get rid of the internal issues that brought it about (Basil II has a son, Isaac I stays healthy and keeps the throne, Romanus IV doesn't become emperor.) by making the state's structure more stable, with mildly competent Emperors, the empire shouldn't have too much trouble. IMO after 1204 the Byzantine Empire was dead, it was just the Mongol invasion which caused it to survive as long as it did. With Muslim Turks populating Anatolia the best Greek source of manpower is gone, and filled with hostiles.Your best bet is to have the Turks lose at Manzikert (or better yet, lose at Ghazni in 1037, which happens in my timeline).
That means no Turks in Anatolia, and the only threat really is the decaying Arab caliphate, which by the 1040s was looking pretty weak. With a very competent emperor (think Basil II on steroids), the Byzantines could take a great deal of land from the Arabs, and their future looks much more secure than post-Seljuk.
The reason I think the empire was doomed after 1204 is largely geographic. The Western part of Anatolia is totally defenseless against a power on the plateau. If you want a challenging scenario, but one that is by no means impossible (if you ask me), then you should start with a post-1204 timeline. While many will tell you the Byzantine Empire was finished after the 4th crusade, I would strongly beg to differ. The problem is not that Constantine didn’t want Urban’s cannon he did the problem is that he simply couldn’t afford it.
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Even more to the heart of the matter though as others have posted is at this point Byzantium is for all intense purposes already dead someone simply hasn’t come along and buried it yet. Consequently if the Byzantines do manage to hold off the Turks in 1453 they’ll be back since Constantinople sits on too important of a site both economically and strategically to simply ignore and will eventually they will likely succeed.Furthermore if by some quirk of fate the Ottoman state happens to fall apart and splinters into a hundred little petty entities someone else will take the city at some point. The empire had neither the money nor the manpower any longer to fend off its other neighbors indefinitely all who would be looking to take such a valuable prize if the Turks happen to falter. Click to expand.Exactly my point.What did Basil plan to invade in the east?The problem with a victory at Manzikert, it doesn't mean the Turks will never attack again. As AHP has pointed out in other threads, they are basically horse nomads, who are extremely hard to decisively defeat. So even after Manzikert they would just come back, sooner or later, with a new army.Your best bet is that the Turks never invade at all, which could be accomplished at many different places.
That would mean only hostile Arabs, not Turks, and the Seljuks wouldn't re-invigorate Islam ITTL. On the other hand, the Seljuks were not interested in Anatolia, and tried to make peace with the Byzantines before Manzikert. A victory wouldn't have stopped raids, but it would have given the empire a couple of years of breathing space to get the army in order, and after that, I think they could probably have held their own.While horse nomads are difficult to defeat decisively, it is possible to establish an effective defense against them especially in mountainous terrain, and the Byzantines were probably more capable of this than anyone else. Exactly my point.What did Basil plan to invade in the east?The problem with a victory at Manzikert, it doesn't mean the Turks will never attack again. As AHP has pointed out in other threads, they are basically horse nomads, who are extremely hard to decisively defeat. So even after Manzikert they would just come back, sooner or later, with a new army.Your best bet is that the Turks never invade at all, which could be accomplished at many different places.
That would mean only hostile Arabs, not Turks, and the Seljuks wouldn't re-invigorate Islam ITTL.
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